Earth 616/Asgard Thor (SirSpidey) vs Earth 616 Hulk (TheNemianLion)

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It's your turn @SirSpidey
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Failure to respond within a month is a forfeit and I will be deemed the winner, @SirSpidey you have three days.
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Earth 616/Asgard Thor (SirSpidey) vs Earth 616 Hulk (TheNemianLion)
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Last time I checked, you couldn't come up with rules on your own
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1. Okay, thanks for establishing your only ability is to use hyperbolic statements, that really showcases how much you know about comic books, if Thanos really was as powerful as death, then that's an isolated incident, or an outliner, as Thor hasn't been shown to repeat something of that magnitude ever again, or at least not even reasonably consistently, Jesus is the human embodiment of God, his power only comes through God, but God gives him that power when he wills, Jesus himself is no where close to as powerful as God, so, buddy, incorrect.

2. Your logic is outstandingly bad... "YOU CAN BE THROWN AROUND LIKE A RAGDOLL AND STILL BE FINE!" Is that why Nightmare was crying and throwing a fit, basically begging for the rampage to end, Hulk was throwing him around like a ragdoll and Nightmare couldn't do anything about it, CUPCAKE? You sure you ain't a homosexual bro? Nothing wrong with that, Nightmare was in complete vulnerability, he was powerless to stop the Hulk from tearing his dimension apart, as well as the Dark Dimension, which Dormammu merges with other dimensions, therefore it logically is far larger than a universe, something Thor barely touches, now, Hulk was destroying the Nightmare Realm as well as the Dark Dimension, the Nightmare Realm is basically a Realm for each person in the entire universes Nightmares, that means it's a High Multi-Universal structure to Multiversal on it's own, and the Dark Dimension is known to be the largest dimension, therefore it's the same tier or higher.
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3. Stop being a smart alec, you know that SHDB has issues with links, here is the comic book, Hulk defeated an Eternity empowered Dormammu with a sneak attack, but broke through his durability to render him unconscious, this is the whole comic, not just a scan son, so how about you actually read it now instead of making spiteful statements like a little girl? Also, I love how you just typed in a bunch of bulls*it to fill in the length of your comments, because your comments don't have enough substance to match mine, you need to fill in your comments with complete and utter ****.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Defenders-2005/Issue-5?id=52587
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4. An inconclusive fight by definition is a stalemate, as there was no winner, therefore it is a draw, I know logic is another word for Silas repellant, but try to stick it out until we're done, no buddy, that was not a Maestro incarnation of Hulk, that was Professor Hulk with long hair and a beard, the gamma poisoning had not affected his head until after he got hit by the nuke, thanks for proving you aren't capable of sustaining knowledge about the subject hand, you really proved how much of a great debater you really are Mr. Carmack, warriors madness Thor is a state that he unlocks through excessive rage, very similar to the World Breaker form, if we want to use Warriors Madness Thor we have to use World Breaker, as for World War Hulk, that's literally just an angry Hulk with armour no massive emotional empowerment, sure it's a angry/strong Hulk, but nothing drastically above his normal state.

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5. You tell me to get a brain yet you literally do not have the brain capacity to read a 5 part graphic novel... Are you that stupid... ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID!? You can't read a damn book with mostly pictures... I previously knew you were a dumbass Silas, but really, you're blowing my mind with your recent idiocy.

World War Hulk, issue 2, I'm sorry he ONE SHOTS Ares, now, Ares is constantly shown to fight on par with Hercules, Hercules when battling Thor was his physical superior, the only way Thor could win was using his lightning attacks, otherwise, Hercules is physically stronger, yet, someone who was close to Hercules was beaten in one punch by Hulk, Hulk therefore logically could beat Hercules with one or two punches, and Hercules is Thor's superior, logic tells us Hulk would beat Thor with just 1 or 2 punches.

In issue 4, Hulk takes the power of an amped Doctor Strange and then comes back to beat him to bloody paste
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6. Listen, Silas, instead of talking s*it every chance you get, learn to use your brain, and thus use your ears, you ready... Here we go... SHDB HAS ISSUES WITH LINKS, I SENT YOU THE ISSUE NUMBERS FOR EVERY CLAIM I MADE! I THEN BACKED THEM UP WITH SCANS! IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT I SENT YOU SCANS BECAUSE I ALREADY SENT YOU THE ISSUE NUMBER! I WAS JUST POINTING OUT WHICH PART OF THE COMIC BOOK I WAS REFERRING TO IN PARTICULAR! YOU HAVE A COMPUTER AND THE ISSUE NUMBERS AVAILABLE! YOU CAN EASILY USE READCOMICSONLINE TO CHECK THE CONTEXT! BUT YOU WILL FIND THAT EVERYTHING I SAY IS CORRECT!... You are such a complete and utter buffoon... Dumbest kid I have ever met in my entire life, and that's saying something.

7. Oh my God you fool... BEATING JUGGERNAUT IS IMPRESSIVE! Especially when he has handed Thor his ass in the past! Sure, Thor on a good day could defeat Juggernaut, easily? MAYBE, with one attack? HELL NO! Not even Odin Force Thor, but who beat Juggernaut with one attack? Onslaught! Not only did Onslaught beat Juggernaut with one attack, he made it so he was unable to even MOVE, Hulk, however, beat Onslaught, but do you know who couldn't beat Onslaught? That's right! THOR! Absolutely useless against him! Try again, buffoon!
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8. Dude... What assumption is there to be made!? Hulk LAID HER OUT! What part of that is so difficult for your minuscule brain to understand? Simple logic tells you that she was too injured to get back up, she was rendered unconscious as she hadn't moved for a long duration of the comic! She wasn't just sun baking, come on, I know you really don't have any brain capacity at all but use your brain!

Now you're saying that Phoenix Force Cyclops is only planetary... Even though he shot Thor into the upper Hemisphere? Thor, a universal / Multi-Universal being could do NOTHING to a Phoenix Force Cyclops... Yet you are saying he's only planetary... When Phoenix Force-empowered characters are powerful enough to tussle with a well-fed Galactus... They are planet level... Your claims are so nonsensical I can not even put them into words, you are a disgrace!

In fact, in issue 10, Cyclops rendered Thor unable to continue fighting with one optic blast... And at the time he only had a smaller portion of the Phoenix Force... Are you going to call that PIS? Thor throughout the entire book has been shown to be weaker than even a small percentage of the Phoenix, because he's some facts for you, Thor isn't even as powerful as a fraction of the Phoenix, neither is he anywhere close to a base Hulk, a base Hulk, in fact, a weaker Hulk, Professor Hulk knocked an EMPOWERED THOR, Warriors Madness Thor, into the horizon, just so he wouldn't get hit by the super nuke, so a weak Hulk is strong as an extremely high-level Thor, that's FACTS! Stop denying them! Thor is on the level of Nova and Gladiator, Hulk ripped Gladiator apart! FACTS!
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9. A time storm that was tearing apart space/time continuum, and Hulk rendered the space/time continuum for long enough until Kang's ship passed through, to be able to manipulate time you need to be more powerful than the 3rd dimension, therefore logically Hulk is 4 dimensional when it comes to physical strength, you do not define what a multiverse is, your word is not law.

Definition Of Multiverse - "A hypothetical space or realm consisting of a number of universes, of which our own universe is only one." different multiverses are different sizes my dude, DC's Multiverse consist of 52 universes, as well as Realms far larger than a universe, Skyrealm, Heaven, etc, and then different dimensional realms in their multiverse, so that's what makes it multiverse sized, the 3D multiverse section is Low Multiversal while the complete Multiverse of DC is high Multiversal, Marvel is different, they hold dimensions inside their universes.
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10. I don't think you quite understand what time being broken means, it doesn't mean that it's physically destroyed, it means that it's in chaos, and it's not stable, if it was physically broken, Einstein, why the hell would they make such an emphasis later that Hulk broke it? You are literally so self-contradictory it's not even funny at this point, dude... STOP IT! JUST STOP IT! Hulk broke through the time BARRIER! Which is the physical construct of time, use your brain, you can't break something already broken, so when they say it was broken, it just means all these paradoxes and chaotic madness was running amuck and it was unstable, for example, Betty Ross was never born, Hulk broke the physical construct, yet, if your comprehensions skills were superior to that of even a toddler, you would easily know that, TRY AGAIN! And this time try using your brain too!
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11. Clearly, I was misspelling the word on purpose, I study Year 12 English Language, and you don't think I have the intellectual capabilities to spell Cataclysmic? Are you serious bro? Anyway, was Thor stated to move at unimaginable speeds by the Narrator/Writer? If not it's a mere hyperbolic statement, statements only hold merit when they are made my the author... Wait... You can't be serious... YOU ARE CRITICIZING MY DEFINITION OF A MULTIVERSE WHEN YOU WERE THE ONE WHO GOT IT WRONG EARLIER!??? HAHAHAHAHAHA! YOU ARE AN ACTUAL IMBECILE! I LOVE IT!

Here, I'll repeat it - "A hypothetical space or realm consisting of a number of universes, of which our own universe is only one."

Besides, it doesn't even matter if it's universal in size, the fact that he is destroying an infinite number of it makes the feat Multiversal regardless, that's facts! SO TRY AGAIN SILAS CARMACK!
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12. How would he have amplified the abilities of the Hulk when the Hulk was not even present!? Again, this is disproven as Hulk defeated Dark Crawler a second time, when Darkcrawler came to Earth, so this claim is in fact, invalid as Hulk couldn't have defeated Dark Crawler the second time if when he beat him the first time he was empowered, so no, Satannish only empowered Banner so he could survive in a higher dimensional realm, otherwise he could not reach it much less survive, Hulk handily defeated Dark Crawler the second time they fought. So Silas Carmack, you already know what I'm about to say... Try again!
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13. No, you're thinking about their conflict in the 60's, I'm referring to Thor VS Namor of the 90's, when Namor and Thor went BLOW FOR BLOW EQUALLY! Namor did stand a chance against the Odin Son as he was fighting blow for blow with him... Common logic mate, you just had your facts jumbled up.

Hulk was beating down on them, Read Marvel Comics The End, it's only a 3 part graphic novel, with six issues, relatively short, Thanos obtains this Heart Of The Universe and he becomes more powerful than even The Living Tribunal

Here you can read it - https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Marvel-The-End
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#1) Umm, Death is Universal in power. Let's go down the list of beings that Thor has defeated who are Universal in power so that we can confirm if Thor defeating Death is PIS, or an outlier, or whatever you want to claim it is:

- The Destroyer (Thor Volume 3 #5, Page #18, Panel #4)
- Surtur and Ymir (Thor Volume 1 #425, Page #21, Panel #2)
- Mangog (Thor Volume 2 #25, Page #18, Panel #4)
- Mephisto (Thor Volume 1 #205, Page #19, Panel #3 and Thor Volume 1 #310, Page #21, Panel #6)
- An Odinforce Empowered Majeston Zelia (Thor Volume 2 #12, Page #32, Panel #2)
- Ego (Thor Volume 1 #227, Page #13, Panel #4)
- Glory (Chaos War: Thor #1, Page #10, Panel #3)
- Galactus (Thor Volume 1 #161, Page #18, Panel #4)
- The Void (Siege Volume 1 #4, Page #17, Panel #1)

These are just from the top of my head. So you tell me if it was an outlier.

Think of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as water. It can come in three different forms, liquid, solid, and gas. Take a cup of water with ice in it for example. You have the water, the ice, and the condensation that is built up around the cup. Now, they are all water, correct? There is no difference between them besides how they assume their form. The same could be said about the Trinity. There is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Why do you think God used the phrases "us" and "our" in 'Genesis, Chapter 1, Verse 26', "Then God said, 'Let US make man in OUR image, in OUR likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the Earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground?'"
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#2) Yes, if the Hulk was about to destroy Nightmare's Dimension, I would imagine that Nightmare would be begging for the Hulk to stop. Not that any of that matters, because, physically, Nightmare was completely fine anyways. What? You don't like being called cupcake? I just thought that such a soft and sensitive guy like you would appreciate being called something as such. In which comic has Dormammu merged the Dark Dimension with other Dimensions to make it the size of a Universe? I mean, logically, you cannot assume the size of something that you have no evidence for. You literally just said that the Nightmare Realm houses the nightmares of everyone in the Universe, but then went on to say that that is Multiversal in power. What in the actual f**k? That does not add up. Not only does all of the nightmares in the Universe not equal a Multiverse, but also, the number of nightmares the Nightmare Realm holds has nothing to do with the Hulk's attack potency. The Hulk can destroy a Realm with an infinite amount of nightmares in it and he still wouldn't be doing anything, unless the size of the Realm itself is an impressive size, of which you have yet to prove that the Nightmare Realm or the Dark Dimension are an impressive size. First off, you need to prove that the Dark Dimension is the largest Dimension. Secondly, you need to prove that any other Dimension is impressive in size, or else the Dark Dimension being the largest Dimension isn't going to be very impressive. And lastly, I am still waiting for a comic. Nothing you have said concerning this scan is relevant considering your evidence is out of context.
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#3) Well, if you know Superhero Database has issues with links, why send them in the first place? Just give me the comic, and all will be perfectly fine. Anyways, hmmm. Hmmm. I see now why you were so reluctant as to giving me the comic book issue. On Page #17, Panel #3 of 'Defenders Volume 3 #5', Umar very clearly says to Dormammu, "I can. I did. So focused on the sorcerer, you didn't realize it was even happening. Not only stole away Eternity's power, but I pretty much sucked out the rest of yours, too." This not only proves that you use out of context scans as evidence for your arguments, which is not a quality I would expect to see from the best debater of Superhero Database, but also this proves that the Hulk knocked down a powerless Dormammu, which isn't impressive at all, not to mention it was by surprise. But don't think that is all. If you still need evidence of Dormammu being powerless when the Hulk knocked him down, let me refer to you 'Defenders Volume 3 #2, Pages #8-9' where it shows the Hulk actually fighting a full powered Dormammu, without the power of Eternity, who literally bodied the Hulk without even lifting a finger, proving that the Hulk cannot compete with a full powered Dormammu. So much for the argument of the Hulk being on par with higher tiered Cosmic Entities. Hmm, I fill my comments with bulls**t, yet, at the same amount of responses, I had more points than you. That makes some logical sense.
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#4) The definition of 'inconclusive' is, "not leading to a firm conclusion; not ending doubt or dispute." In a stalemate, we are not left to doubt the outcome of the battle, because it is obvious that the two combatants were equal in power. In Warrior's Madness Thor's and the Maestro's fight, the battle was not a stalemate because we are left to doubt the outcome of the battle due to the interference of the nuke. So that battle is pointless as evidence. As for World War Hulk, nevertheless, as you said, World War Hulk is still just a very angry level Hulk, just as Warrior's Madness Thor is just a very angry level Thor. And the last time I checked, World War Hulk defeating an amped Doctor Strange is far, far above his normal state. Lastly, if you want to use World Breaker Hulk, then I get to use Odinforce Thor. End of story.
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#5) It's not a matter of mental capacity, it is a matter of time management and as I said, I don't have time to read 5 separate comics just to find one pointless feat. As for Thor vs Hercules, In that specific battle, Thor was trying to talk Hercules out of fighting throughout the entire battle, as he does in most of his fights, which led to him being caught off guard and being put into a headlock by Hercules. By no means does that prove Hercules is superior to Thor. Two men with equal strength can be in a fight and one of them puts the other in a headlock. Considering the man who is putting the other in a headlock has leverage and is in a much better position, of course the man with equal strength isn't going to be able to break free. That requires simple logic and knowledge of the human body to understand. But, what I find even more interesting is why you left the most crucial part of this matchup out. Thor and Hercules have tested their strength against each other in an arm wrestling match in 'Thor Volume 1 #400 (When Warriors Clasp!), Pages #1-4' and neither of them could budge the other. The writers even say that their arm wrestling match could go on for centuries, considering, you know, they are ACTUALLY immortal. This proves that Thor and Hercules are each other's equals in STRENGTH and strength alone. Versatility, power, speed, durability, et cetera are a completely different story. This is proven in the fight referenced above, when Thor proved he was the superior to Hercules by showcasing a small, small fragment of his true capabilities, also known as lightning.
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#5) (Continued) With that said, why are you basing your whole entire argument of the Hulk being the superior to Thor upon strength? Strength is not a deciding factor in a fight such as Thor vs the Hulk. You have to look at the bigger picture, which includes factoring in not only Thor's strength, but every other ability afforded to him by his godly energies/attributes and Mjolnir, of which he almost NEVER uses on the Hulk in their battles. And I am just going to throw this feat out there just to completely shut down your argument of Hercules being the superior to Thor in any way. In 'Thor Volume 1 #126, Page #9, Panel #1', a holding back Thor EASILY forces Hercules on his knees when he is tired of Hercules' bulls**t. Their entire battle shows Thor bodying Hercules. On Page #4, Panel #1 of the very same issue, Hercules admits that Mjolnir is superior to his mace, "His enchanted hammer makes a living mockery of mine own mace..." All of this proves that Mjolnir is superior to Hercules' mace and that even a holding back Thor is the superior to Hercules. Your power scaling is terribly wrong because all you did was factor in mere strength. There is more to it than mere strength, and I think you know this, but would rather ignore it because the Hulk is only centered around strength. It is a poor debating tactic that the best debater of Superhero Database would not use. By the way, since we are on the topic, why do you feel the need to use the feats of variations of the Hulk that aren't even his base? I know you don't have enough feats of base Hulk to prove he is superior to Thor, but instead of living in denial, why don't you just own up to the truth? It really isn't that hard.
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#6) How am I supposed to use my ears whenever we are communicating through means of text? Are you sure you aren't mentally impaired? I mean, it only takes a little common sense to know these things, so I am not sure what your deal is? I understand Superhero Database has issues with links, and I already asked you why you would use links if you know Superhero Database has issues with them? That is literally the definition of insanity. I still do not have an answer as to why you sent the same feat as number five. I don't know if it was a separate feat, just that the site erased that text and replaced it with the same text as you put for number five, or what? Please clear this up, or I am just going to completely forget about this section of our debate.
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#7) You still DO NOT have sufficient evidence. I have looked everywhere and "Onslaught Impact Volume 2" is nowhere to be found. So either you give me the evidence that is needed or we are going to end this section of the debate as well.
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#8) Oh, I don't know? Maybe the fact that you are assuming that the Hulk did ANYTHING to her? Prove that the Phoenix Force empowered Emma Frost was even phased by the Hulk, because I can tell you right now on Page #20, Panel #2, in 'Avengers vs X-Men #11', the Phoenix Force empowered Emma Frost is shown blasting the Hulk off of her, which is a continuation of the confrontation between the two that you are referring to. That is proof the Hulk did absolute s**t to the Phoenix Force empowered Emma Frost. So either you prove that the Hulk actually did anything, or you stop assuming ridiculous things.
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#8) (Continued) Well, yes. The Phoenix Force empowered Cyclops was literally stated by the Cerebra empowered Stepford Cuckoos as to being a Planetary level threat in 'Avengers vs X-Men #12, Page #8'. So not only is a Phoenix Force empowered Cyclops defeating Thor plot induced stupidity due to the Phoenix Force empowered Cyclops only being Planetary in power, but it is also plot induced stupidity because in 'Avengers vs X-Men #4, Pages #5-7', Thor makes the actual Phoenix Force entity (which was confirmed to be Universal in power because in 'Avengers vs X-Men #5, Pages #16-17', Iron Man's Phoenix Force Killer, which was confirmed to be Universal in power in 'Avengers vs X-Men #4, Page #16, Panel #5', proved successful in defeating the Phoenix Force) run for its life with but one hammer throw. So how does a Planetary level threat, that is the likes of a Phoenix Force empowered Cyclops, defeat Thor who made the actual Phoenix Force entity run for its life with but one hammer throw? It is quite simple, @TheNemianLion. It is due to pure PLOT INDUCED STUPIDITY and you can't prove otherwise. I mean, for goodness sake, how many beings has Thor defeated who are on the level of the Phoenix Force (which is Universal in power, as I proved above)? Like 10 plus? It really isn't that surprising that a god such as Thor is more powerful than Universal level threats. All you have to do is look at his track record. Wait, so because a variation of the Hulk knocked Thor back, you equate that to the Hulk being as powerful as Thor? Like, what the f**k? What kind of logic is that? The Hulk has gotten his ass handed to him by a snake, Thor decimates snakes the size of the Earth on a regular basis! FACTS!
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#9) I still don't think you have proven that the Hulk destroying a "Time Storm" is a quantifiable feat, but for arguments sake, let's just go with it. You act as if the strength of the Hulk being 4 Dimensional is impressive or something. Kid, Thor himself is BEYOND the 4th Dimension as proven in 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #98, Page #3, Panel #1' when the writer says, "An interval later, for Time as we know it means nothing to the gods of Asgard, Mighty Thor stands before the throne of his father." I did not define what a Multiverse is, s**t for brains. I was simply quoting what the international Dictionary states what a Multiverse is, unlike you who uses what a single University's interpretation of what the term is. It is considered a Multiverse once it has an infinite amount of Universes residing in it. End of story.
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#10) Okay. Just deny what the comics literally say all you want. It is just more points for me. You can further break something already broken. I can break a stick, and break it again. I can break a car, and break it again. I can break your skull, and break it again. NOW do you see the fault in your logic? The Hulk broke an already broken Time Barrier. That does not impress me at all. Try again.
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#11) Oh yeah, CLEARLY. We all believe you, @TheNemianLion. Anyways, Thor is stated by the writer in 'Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #99, Page #3, Panel #1' as to "...traveling at speeds faster than the Human mind can comprehend..." So you tell me if it was stated by the writer. "Destroying?" What are you talking about? The Hulk destroyed s**t. All he did was shake the Universes, which isn't impressive at all.
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#12) Well, in 'Defenders Volume 3 #3, Page #13, Panel #2', Umar can sense that the Hulk has two souls, and easily tampers with them to slip a Behavioral Modification Spell into them. She also states that she can "perform a psychic dissection" on the Hulk. It really isn't that surprising that the Hulk can be tampered with even when he is in his Bruce Banner form as long as you have some knowledge on the Hulk. Lastly, in which comic did the Hulk defeat Dark Crawler for the second time?
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#13) Well, I guess it doesn't matter, considering Namor being able to stand a chance against Thor would be plot or writer induced stupidity anyways. Okay, I have read the comic already. All I want you to do is show me where in the comic it proves The Heart of The Universe is more powerful than the Living Tribunal. It is that simple.
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People need to learn to read, only Spidey and I are allowed to comment on this forum.
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But I'm still allowed to do it right since I am the judge of this battle, anyway the current standing is-
@TheNemianLion: 8 points
@SirSpidey: 5 points
To explain why the scores are so low, I count every comment from Neiman as one statement because they are all related to each other and only separated because of a word limit on the site, same for Spidey, it does not count as a separate statement until the other debater responds, so that's why despite all the comments the scores are that low.
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You're allowed to comment, but I don't think it's that close, Spidey really hasn't brought anything of value up so far, he's just given me bad attempts to counteract my arguments, and fail to do so.
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@TheNemianLion: 8 points
@Sirspidey: 10 points
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Hmm, same amount of responses... more points. We all know how this is going to end
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I love how Spidey is ahead of me yet he hasn't said ANYTHING of substance thus far... Come on Soul let's be serious now! XD
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@TheNemianLion: In which comics has the Hulk defeated beings as powerful as Death, Glory, Galactus, the Void, the Destroyer, Surtur, an Odinforce empowered Majeston Zelia, etc.?
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In which comics has Thor defeated Death?

Who has Hulk Defeated on Thor's enemies level -

Hulk has destroyed conceptual beings such as Nightmare, in fact, he bodied him, destroying Nightmare's realm and the Dark Dimension in the process, that was just from Hulk beating him up, not on purposely destroying either of those realms - https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244529/5924055-destroys+dark+dim.jpg

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mildly annoyed Hulk was able to render an Eternity empowered Dormammu unconscious with a single attack, of course, Hulk at the low anger level he was in would have never had that opportunity if Dormmamu was not distracted, but he did it with a clap, and he still knocked out someone who was above Eternity, WITH JUST A CLAP, had Hulk been at a higher anger level, that feat would have been done more easily and at a surer level.

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During World War Hulk Volume 2 Hulk one shots Ares, an Olympian God -

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/GQhOYMxyq5qvx9StiW34iRGCoeLJLbTceuQdz97RziqegQCnIsODe6jrSnSCBqJR1tAl8A6CIOEg=s1600

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World War Hulk Volume 4, Hulk stomps a vastly empowered Doctor Strange.

During World War Hulk Volume 2 Hulk one shots Ares, an Olympian God -

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defeated the Physical Form Of Onslaught, this is something that Thor could not even come close to doing, for reference, Onslaught has the ability to one shot and renders Juggernaut unconscious, a Multi-Universal being. This was during Onslaught Impact Volume 2

During Avengers Vs X-Men #11, Hulk one shots a Phoenix Force Emma Frost, while she did have half the Phoenix Force, he still demolished her and she stayed down for 10 - 15 minutes, while Emma Frost, with a lower percentage of the Phoenix Force BODIED THOR, and it wasn't even a fight for the second half of the fight, she literally had her way with him and turned him into a literal puddle of blood, Hulk just one shotted her at a stronger point in time.

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Why Savage Hulk Is Multiversal -

Hulk has punched through time storms, 4 Dimensional constructs which are considered to be Low Multiversal, this was during Incredible Hulk #135, he just destroyed them with mere force

And he was able to one-up that during the Indestructible Hulk #15 when he LITERALLY PUNCHED THROUGH TIME ITSELF,
something, I know, Thor has not done, During the Incredible Hulk #304 Hulk was able to, He shattered through it's boundaries.

During The Incredible Hu
lk #304 Hulk's clash with an amped up, Ironclad which created a Multiverse wide Catalypiclismic event with just a single blow, that's something comparable to a Weaker Odin and Seth's ENTIRE FIGHT! While The Hulk and a severely amped Ironclad did it with a mere STRIKE, the damage is described as UNIMAGINABLE, so it must have been severe, as it was felt in an infinite number of dimensions, which are stated to have universes and their own timelines inside of them, therefore this is a HIGH MULTIVERSAL feat, moving on.
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Hulk has been shown to be able to rip apart an entire cosmos with a single strike, so if you want to attribute Hulk's prior feat with Iron Clad to the U-Foes, even though he was doing half of it, this feat disproves that as Hulk destroyed an entire cosmos, ON ACCIDENT! This was during Incredible Hulk Vol 1 126

Marvel: The End #4, the Celestial Order powered by the Heart of the Universe, he trades blows with them, while they one-shotted Namor and Dr Strange, Doctor Strange is at bare Minimum High Multi-Universal, although probably a Low Multiversal being, he was defeated in ONE ATTACK by the Celestial Order, and Hulk was trading blows with these guys!
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#1) Thor defeated a Thanos clone who turned into the physical embodiment of Death in 'Thor Volume 2 #25' even after being helplessly beaten by Mangog and after using the Anti-Force blast on Mangog.

#2) Nightmare looked completely fine after the Hulk's attack. The scan is out of context, so if you could give me the comic, that would be great.

#3) Umm, that is the exact same scan from #1. I'm not accepting that as evidence.
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#4) If we are using World War Hulk, I guess we are using Warriors Madness Thor? And Ares is not comparable to Thor. I don't know why you are mentioning him. Also, that is one of the most out of context scans.

#5) Again, World War Hulk... and where is your evidence?

#6) Why are you mentioning the exact same feat as #4?
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#7) Well Thor has defeated Juggernaut before. That isn't impressive. And naming the name of an entire comic book series is not evidence. You need to be more specific than that.

#8) Lol, if you call that a one shot, I guess anytime Thor has hit the Hulk he would have one shotted him. Emma Frost was perfectly fine after the Hulk attacked her. That is not a one shot. And Emma Frost defeating Thor is PIS considering she wasn't even Planetary in power. I say this because whenever Cyclops became Dark Phoenix, he was only destroying the Earth from his onslaught and Emma Frost is below Dark Phoenix Cyclops.

#9) This isn't even a quantifiable feat. In which comic does it say Time Storms are "4 Dimensional", whatever that means? And there is no such thing as "Low Multiversal." Either you destroyed a Multiverse or you didn't. There is no in between.
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#10) Yeah, nice try. Time was already broken before the Hulk shattered the Time Barrier, as stated on page 12 of 'Indestructible Hulk #15'.

#11) Lol, I looked up "catalypiclismic" and this forum was the only thing that popped up. I've never seen that before. Thought it was pretty cool. Anyways, There can be an infinite amount of Dimensions in a Universe, why do you automatically assume it is a Multiversal level feat? In which comic was it stated that those Dimensions were Universes? And again, there is no such thing as "High Multiversal." Either you destroyed a Multiverse or you didn't. And the Hulk couldn't have accomplished this feat without the help of Ironclad.

#12) Yeah, too bad the Hulk's power was amped by Satannish and his speed was amped by Dormammu, as seen on page 5.

#13) Umm, Doctor Strange and Namor aren't particularly known for their physical durability, so the Hulk surviving the Celestial Order's attacks and not Doctor Strange and Namor is not that impressive at all. And the Hulk was incapable of defeating them. I want to know the Universal level beings the Hulk has defeated.
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1. Was this Thanos stated to be as powerful as Death the abstract? Being an embodiment of something doesn't make you as powerful as that something, Jesus is the physical embodiment of God, he's not as powerful as God is, however.

2. He looked completely fine, did he? Is that why he was getting thrown around like a ragdoll? And why he was begging Hulk to stop? Fact remains he was destroying the nightmare realm and dark dimension, as was specified in the scan, what, is the narrator going to flat out lie about that?

3. What do you mean? I sent you a scan of Hulk rendering Dormammu unconscious, that was while Dormammu was harnessing the power of Eternity, google Hulk knocks Dormammu out with a clap, Hulk needed the distraction, sure, but that's because of Dormammu's hacks, Hulk still used physical force to overpower Dormammu's physical durability, which points to the fact that Hulk can defeat higher tiered cosmic entities.
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4. World War Hulk is still base Hulk, just with some extra armour and a sword, he is just a very angry level of Hulk, however, if we used World BREAKER Hulk, then we could use Warriors madness Thor, but even if we did, a BASE HULK already stalemated a Warriors madness Thor, so that would be overkill to include World Breaker Hulk.

5. The whole 5 part Graphic Novel is my evidence, actually, pick it up and read it instead of asking unintelligent questions, can you do that for me?

6. Because of the links I sent messed up my comment, it's not my fault.
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7. Defeating Juggernaut is nowhere near as impressive as defeating a being who beat Juggernaut with ONE STRIKE! And left him immobilised for that long where he couldn't even move, with just one strike, Thor has never shown that level of power and never will, guess who defeated Onslaught? That's right! The HULK!

8. Yes, I call immobilising Emma Frost for a good ten minutes a one-shot, Emma Frost handed Thor his ass, that's not PIS, it's not PIS whenever your poster boy gets his ass kicked, and the point being is Hulk took her out of the fight for a long time and hurt her for so long she got up dazed, with only one strike, whereas Thor couldn't do ANYTHING to her, Cyclops was only destroying the Earth due to plot armour, have you heard of it? Also, he wasn't aiming his attacks at the Earth, he was aiming at the heroes, also, if you want to use that, why in every fight Thor has on Earth he doesn't destroy the planet? Flawed logic mate.

9. Time is a 4-dimensional construct, so if you are destroying it, guess what? YOU ARE 4-DIMENSIONAL! Logic make, try to use it, Multiverses vary in size, I would have fought you'd realise that, in DC's case it's 52 universes since the New 52 reboot, in Marvel's case it's infinite universes, so there is a low - high Multiverse spectrum by LOGIC, something you're not using!
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10. Your comprehension skills are failing you, by time being broken he meant time was messed up and thus, broken, as it was in chaos, because of the Uber Hulk, not that it's constructs were broken, try harder, LATER, Hulk punches through the time barrier, why would they emphasise this if it was already 'Broken' no you're just interpreting it wrong, the TIMELINE was broken, but the construct was still intact, just chaotic, Hulk punched through it.

11. I misspelt Cataymaclismic, anyway, Hulk caused Cataymaclismic upheavals and UNIMAGINABLE destruction, meaning he was tearing them apart if there is an infinite number of dimensions within a universe, that is still Multiverse tier, because Dimensions are universe sized constructs, also a Multiverse isn't a one size fits all thing, that's completely and utterly stupid Spidey, come on man, I already disproved that outlandish claim earlier, different Multiverses hold different numbers of universes.

12. Too bad you don't know how to read, you're blind, or you're just stupid, BRUCE BANNER'S power and speed was amped, Hulk had nothing to do with that, as you can see it was only until he entered that dimension, after that, no signs of his power prevailed, also, on another occasion he had another fight with Darkcrawler which he maimed him even easier, are you going to say that Hulk was amped by Satannish then too? Lol, no bro, Hulk dropped Darkcrawler twice.

13. Don't discount Namor, he isn't a pushover, he once gave Thor a run for his money during the 90's and Doctor Strange has all types of hacks, still, both stood no chance against the Celestial, while Hulk put up a fight, the Heart Of The Universe is even more powerful than The Living Tribunal, and Hulk was trading blows with them... This is far above Multiversal levels of power, in fact, Hulk was beating the tar out of them if you read the comic.
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#1) Yes. In fact, the comic says, "Could anything be more significant than the end of all existence at the hands of Thanos?" (Thor Volume 2 #25, Page #2, Panel #1). This proves that the Thanos clone was as powerful as Death. Lol, what? Where did you get that from? God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all one in the same being. Jesus is just as powerful as God is.

#2) Umm, yeah, he did. You can be thrown around like a rag doll and still be perfectly fine. UsE sOmE lOgIc NoW. I mean, if someone were about to destroy my house, I would beg for him to stop. Not sure where you were going with that. When did I ever say that the Hulk didn't destroy the Dark Dimension? Don't start imagining things now, cupcake. Destroying the Dark Dimension is not a quantifiable feat considering we do not know how big it is. Try again.

#3) Lol, (https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244529/5924055-destroys+dark+dim.jpg) this is not a scan of the Hulk rendering Dormammu unconscious. Try again. I mean, if you don't have any evidence, just admit it. No need to waste anyone's time. ... Did you just tell me to look a SCAN up... on Google!? My god, you have become more worse than I ever thought. Come on now, you know I'm not accepting that s*** as evidence. Try again.
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#4) So he is not base Hulk. Warriors Madness Thor is just a very angry level Thor, so I guess that means we can use him? Geez, your logic is painful to understand. Try again. Yeah, that was the Maestro variant of the Hulk. By no means is that base Hulk. And the fight was inconclusive, so you cannot claim it was a "stalemate." Try again.

#5) ... "unintelligent questions" (https://www.reddit.com/r/reactiongifs/comments/51xt47/haha_good_one_pete_davidson_responding_to_ann/). So asking for evidence is unintelligent now? Okay, intelligent one. Could you get anymore painstakingly ridiculous? No, I am not going to waste my time reading an entire 5 part Graphic Novel just to find one ridiculous feat. YOU, my friend, are ridiculous. Go get a brain and try again.

#6) Do you know what would stop that? GIVING ME THE D*** COMIC, not some out of context scan. And whenever you know that you do not have sufficient evidence, do not blame it on technical problems and completely undermine giving evidence. Such a great debater as yourself should at least have enough common sense to know this, right?
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#7) Well you acted as if beating Juggernaut was impressive, I was just saying it isn't when compared to Thor. You still do not have sufficient evidence. Try again.

#8) "hurt her for so long she got up dazed." Please, give me the exact page in the comic in which Emma Frost was getting up from the Hulk's attack dazed. Nowhere in that comic can I find that happening. You obviously cannot read a simple comic. You are resorting to assumptions if you think that the Hulk took her out for a long time, which will not be acceptable from the likes of someone as I. So let me get this straight, you are trying to sit here and tell that it isn't PIS for a being who isn't even Planetary in power to defeat Thor. Okay, now you are just being completely unreasonable. I would imagine that there would be collateral damage from the attacks of Cyclops that would have hit the Earth. He obviously couldn't do much more than damage the Earth. So my point still stands. And Thor holds back on Earth so it would be expected for him to not destroy the Earth in every fight he participates in (https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11123/111230790/4589568-8436559782-ThorR.jpg). And what does plot armour have to do with literally anything?

#9) Uhh, that isn't Time though, now is it? That is a "Time Storm" and you have yet to prove that a "Time Storm" is a 4 Dimensional construct. Umm, last time I checked, a Multiverse did not equal 52 Universes. It is considered to be a Multiverse once it has an infinite amount of Universes inside it. The very definition of a 'Multiverse' is, "an INFINITE realm of being or potential being of which the Universe is regarded as a part or instance." Some logic you are using there. So try again.
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#10) Lol, do you hear yourself? "By Time being broken, he meant that Time was broken." NAH, I would have never guessed, Sherlock. WRONG. Just, WRONG. Time was not broken by the actions, or creation, of Hulk Squared. Time, as repeatedly stated, was already broken long before the creation of Hulk Squared. Thanks for proving to everyone that YOU, not me, can't comprehend what the comic literally states. It LITERALLY says on Page #1, Panel #2 of 'Indestructible Hulk #14' that, "Time isn't just broken. It's in SHAMBLES." You actually have to know the context of a feat before you claim anything about it. The Hulk only destroyed an already broken Time Barrier, which isn't impressive AT ALL. So, TRY AGAIN.

#11) Do you mean 'cataclysmic'? If YoU aRe GoInG tO uSe ThE eNgLiSh LaNgUaGe, AcTuAlLy LeArN hOw To SpEaK iT. Anyways, Thor has been repeatedly stated as to be moving at unimaginable speeds. So I guess Thor can move at speeds faster than any being can imagine now, huh? What is your evidence to suggest that every Dimension is Universal in size? Yeah, you disproved s***, @TheNemianLion. You know what the definition of 'Multiverse' is. Don't try and manipulate a freaking official definition to appease your ridiculous argument. That is just PATHETIC. So try again.

#12) Oh yeah, that seems logical. They totally would have amplified Bruce Banner's speed and power. That makes sense. Lol, use your brain, please. Van Nyborg literally says, "Bruce Banner, we have need of you, but not in the fragile form you now wear. It is the Hulk we need, for only he can destroy the greatest enemy of the Undying Ones." This proves that Van Nyborg wasn't amplifying the attributes of Bruce Banner, but rather that of the Hulk. So try again.
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#13) Oh, "a run for his money." You mean getting knocked out by Thor with one strike on accident? While Namor being at his fullest potential due to it raining? Don't try and make it seem like Namor has a chance against Thor. Putting up a fight and actually defeating someone are two completely different things. That is an empty statement. "Trading blows with them." Umm, last time I checked, only the Hulk was dealing the blows. Not once did the Celestials hit the Hulk with their attacks. They tried once, but that one missed, hitting another Celestial. And in which comic is it displayed that the Heart of The Universe is more powerful than the Living Tribunal, a being who embodies a Multiverse?
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