Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)

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Link: https://www.superherodb.com/forum/offical-list-of-debating-rules/100-3121/

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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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@SirSpidey, you chose to join the debate I didn't force you, but since you want call me a p****y let's finish our debate here, the one that you "forgot" about, let's finish it here, your turn.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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... did you just... copy what you just said... but only with a fewer words? You are just beyond me @Soulcollector57
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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It didn't show up the first time I had typed it, so I retyped it, my computer glitched.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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@SirSpidey first of all you chose to participate I didn't force you to do it, but since you want to call me a *****, let's finish our debate here, since you seem to have "forgot" about this debate let's settle it here, your turn.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Did I say you forced me to join it? There you go reading only what you want again
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Yeah, I never forced you, you had questioned why you would join and phrased it as if it was somehow my fault that you decide to join, considering the fact you felt I was capable of running one in the first place is why you joined, as you have seen in the past that I have run clean fair debates and events such as your debate forum against @LordTracer, it's hard to keep track of all the things going on so god forbid I make a few mistakes here and there, I have a very impressive track record, this is really that was really the only one I had messed up on.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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I didn't phrase it to make it look like it was your fault that I joined. How did you come up with that? I was just simply stating that I don't know why I joined something of someone who doesn't even know or follow his own rules. The fact of the matter is, I exposed you at your own game. You came at me and my partner saying that we are cheap and breaking the rules, but I shut your s**t down quick. Regardless if it is "hard to keep up with", or any other excuse you want to use, you were in wrong. You had no right to attack me and my partner like that and now we are here, debating Thor vs Goku. All because you decided to disqualify all of us. Not one, not two, but ALL OF US. I'm excited. I have three debates going at once and you want to talk about how hard it is to keep track of things. Let's hurry up and get this over with. There are other s**theads who need to be put in their place
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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I originally wasn't going to disqualify any of us, it was merely only to point it out and I gave us some leeway, both of our teams, because I wanted to debate you, but then you attacked me personally, and technically I didn't violate any rules, @MOP did so he should be disqualified, I did nothing wrong, my teammate did though, I have not violated any of the rules myself, until after overruling my original statement, so technically I should still be in the tournament, and all of you should still be because I overruled myself, but you wanted to call me a ***** so I overruled that, we could have continued but you did this to yourself.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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No, YOU did this to all four of us. You have the order of the events that just took place messed up. I called you a p***y completely after you disqualified us. You disqualified us because you were mad that I exposed you. And I didn't even know I was breaking any rules considering nowhere in the rules does it say anything about a one day time limit. In fact, it says that "Each debate has a one week time limit." So you are most definitely in the wrong for accusing me of violating the rules. However, you, individually, violated 'Rule 3' whenever you posted two comments instead of only one. So don't act like you didn't do anything wrong. Quit pointing fingers at everyone else and point it at your own d**ned self
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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In the originally rules it said 1 week, but I had modify it, to only 3 days, so that the tournament didn't drag on too long, and then I has forfeited @AndreasVer for taking longer than 1 day to reply, so it's only fair that I do the same for others, honestly I fucked up when I forfeited @AndreasVer instantly, but didn't forfeit your team instantly, so if anything I was in the wrong for something else that you failed to mention, @Manofpower violated one rule, @Wolfdragon123 violated one rule, you had violated 1 rule, and I had violated one rule, so since everyone involved violated a rule it's only fair we are all forfeited because @AndreasVer was for a similar reason.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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WRONG. This is what you, yourself, said:

"Reiteration of the Rules-
1. Order will be decided randomly by me.
2. Each debater can only defend their character, but can attack either of the other users characters.
3. it has to be back and forth only one at a time and each user is limited to one comment per turn, so use your space wisely.
4. Even if one persons character loses then the debate is over.
5. EACH DEBATE HAS A ONE WEEK TIME LIMIT.
6. Each member of a team can only post one comment per turn.
7. Total number of battle votes will not be counted as a means of victory for multiple obvious reasons such as a votes pervious to the debates commencement and thouse who will vote with out looking at the debate, the page is only for a means to be organized.
8. Scoring system is the same as the Offical rules of debate.
9. The judge for the battles will be decided after the tournament is set up."

So I still HAVE NOT violated ANY rules. Neither did @AndreasVer, or @wolfdragon123. Only YOU and @ManofPower have violated any rules. So nice try, but no cigar. TRY AGAIN
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Here is the schedule for the tournament, but before I would like to note that since it is a round robin instead of bracket style, I ***decreased the time limit it 3 days so that is doesn't drag out too long***, so here It is:
Day1: Team 5 (@Soratoumiga and @AkhilPDX) vs Team 1 (@ElectroSpino and @AndreasVer)
Day1: Team 3 (@Wolfdragon123 and @SirSpidey) vs Team 4 (@Soulcollecter57 and @Manofpower) Team 2=Bye
Day6: Team 2 (@Dellmamy45 and @TheNemianLion) vs Team 5 (@Soratoumiga and @@AkhilPDX)
Day6: Team 4 (@Soulcollecter57 and @Manofpower) vs Team 1 (@ElectroSpino and @AndreasVer) Team 3=Bye
Day9: Team 3 (@Wolfdragon123 and @SirSpidey) vs Team 2 (@Dellmamy45 and @TheNemianLion)
Day9: Team 4 (@Soulcollecter57 and @Manofpower) vs Team 5 (@Soratoumiga and @AkhilPDX) Team 1=Bye
Day12: Team 1 (@ElectroSpino and @AndreasVer) vs Team 2 (@Dellmamy45 and @TheNemianLion)
Day12: Team 3 (@Wolfdragon123 and @SirSpidey) vs Team 5 (@Soratoumiga and @AkhilPDX) Team 4=Bye
Day15(Final): Team 4 (@Soulcollecter57 and @Manofpower) vs Team 2 (@Dellmamy45 and @TheNemianLion)
Day15(Final): Team 3 (@Wolfdragon123 and @SirSpidey) vs Team 1 (@ElectroSpino and @AndreasVer) Team 5=Bye
It's right there, you waited until the third day to post anything and it was at the end of it, I'll count the evidence you gave prior to that in your original statement towards @Manofpower but the second set would not have been counted, and my claims after would not have been counted either, and you said it yourself that @Manofpower acted out of turn, but now you say he did nothing wrong, nice way to contradict yourself.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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What the f**k does that have to do with literally ANYTHING? The fact of the matter is, NOWHERE in your rules does it say ANYTHING about a one day time limit for how long you can post a comment. Why the f**k wouldn't all my comments be counted? I am in no violation of any rules. If you would like to show me how I am violating ANY rules, that would be greatly appreciated, but for you to try and say that my comment won't be counted, without stating exactly why, is a d**k move. WHEN THE **** DID I SAY @ManofPower DID NOTHING WRONG? You obviously have an alternate personality reading and perceiving things that aren't even there or something. Is it that you are so desperate to catch me doing something contradictory like yourself that you just make up something that I clearly did not do? Huh, fry brain? Is that it? I know you are new to being debunked so much in one setting, but it doesn't justify you panicking and making s**t up just to have at least a tiny bit of dirt on somebody. Just admit that you are completely in the wrong and move on. It really isn't that hard
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Well would you look at that, I was wrong after all, I guess now I own you an apology, my bad.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Apology accepted. Now am I still disqualified or not?
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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No, you are no longer disqualified and neither is @Wolfdragon123, so your team wins via disqualification.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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I mean, I don't want to be cheap about this. I am totally fine with you and @ManofPower continuing to debate us
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Did Soul beat Spidey or did Spidey just forget to come back to this debate?
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Oh d***, forgot about this one
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@Soulcollector57: Has Goku ever physically lifted an infinite amount of weight?
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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No, but he fought on par with a being named Jiren, who broke threw a time barrier with brute force and nothing else while suppressed, Dragon Ball uses strikes and raw power to show strength not lifting feats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY22hZgXQfI watch until 1:48.
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So Thor is stronger, correct?
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Thor is stronger in lifting strength, but striking power is a different story, Goku can output more force than Thor.
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So I'd say they are equal in strength.
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I beg to differ @Soulcollector57. When fighting Gorr The God Butcher, Thor was literally destroying planets from the mere shockwaves of his blows. Also, when met with a sufficient amount of force, Thor's punches can close Dimensional rifts
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Which Thor? Past, present, or future? (I haven't read it in a while). Characters in Dragon Ball have been doing that for quite a while now. During late Dragon Ball Z, a being named as Majin Buu ripped a hole through a separate dimension (HBTC) by yelling, and Goku fought evenly with a stronger version of Majin Buu. And During Goku's clash with Beerus they were shaking three universe sized dimensions with their punches all the while they were destroying planets (they were uninhabited, and this is confirmed later in the show) while clashing. And Beerus once destroyed a planet with a tap of his finger and with a simple sneeze he destroyed a planet. And then later on in the series Goku fought Goku Black (Zamasu) and during the fight Goku Black accidentally ripped a whole through space time, and he further proves this when he says, "Who knows. Even I don't Know." which is 4th dimensional attack potency because time is the 4th dimension and he ripped through it on accident, which is imo, a better feat.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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It was present Thor. Here is the comic if you want to read it again, (https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Thor-God-of-Thunder/Issue-9?id=2077)
And not only was Thor shattering planets with the shockwaves of his blows, but he was also doing it all the while his bones rattled, his fingers cracked, and his muscles tore. Even through all of that, Thor swung harder and harder with every blow. Plus, while doing what I just said, Thor was enduring Gorr slashing him with his weapon. Here is what the comic described it as being, "With every cut, he felt Gorr's weapon creep inside him, burrowing deeper into his flesh. Broken blades became black magots, eating him from the inside. But Thor made his mind as hard as the Uru of his hammer, and he thundered on. Thor ignored the pain..." Thor's entire body was literally rapidly deteriorating but still had enough force to shatter planets with the shockwaves of his blows. Now imagine if Thor was at 100%. His shockwaves could potentially shatter galaxies, don't you agree? Anyways, can you give evidence of the claims you just made? That is the real question
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Majin Buu ripping through a dimension by yelling (skip to 2:51)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnQ69wc_8MI
I can't find the clip of Goku and Beerus shaking the universe (YouTube's copyright policies) but believe me it happened, you can ask @Nemian and @IMABATMAN42 who will confirm this also.
Surpressed Beerus casually destroying a planet with less than a fraction of his power(skip to 0:34)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaM_mS2HE44
Goku Black accidentally rips a whole through space time (skip to 2:01)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy9pedGfNaA
Goku Black rips more wholes and uses it to create clones of himself- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWUt2s4QHlU
Jiren transcends time (4th dimension) in speed by being able to move in the absence of time, and breaks through it with power alone and it is confirmed by everyone including the gods (skip to 1:50)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61ja5J348Y8
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Beerus destroys a planet with his sneeze- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNCAvHcWZDk
Beerus destroys half of a planet with a tap of his finger because he didn't like the food they gave him (skip to 1:20)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH1iWjkoJ98
Beerus proceeds to destroy several planets by accident because he ate spicy food (skip to 0:55)- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5qNBo1cSxc
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Sorry for spamming, but I found the scan of their battle threatening to destroying the universe (you'll have to zoom in a little)-
http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/905859/859/118/imagevRu25.png
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@SirSpidey, alright, it's your turn.
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I want evidence that it was base Goku fighting those beings. Also, shaking some Universes is completely different from destroying them. I can shake a car, but it doesn't mean I can destroy it
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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He wasn't shaking just one universe, he was shaking 3 separate universes in one, and the only reason they weren't destroyed in the first place was because Beerus cancelled it out by creating an equal force with each punch. And the feat itself was an amped Goku but he absorbed it into his base as stated by Beerus, when he continued to fight outside of his super saiyan god form as stated by Beerus and he hadn't realized it. So that became his new base and all his other forms stack on top of it, Dragon Ball is different than comic books, so him using his forms is allowable as every debate involving Goku has done and I never said it was base Goku, just that he absorbed the power of his super saiyan god form and that became his new base it even occurred during the fight itself- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-eKLTN0-aY
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Did I say he was only shaking one Universe? NO. You seriously need to fix your reading problem. Quite reading only what you want to read. "An equal force with each punch." So when their punches are equaled out, they can only shake some Universes. In that case, Thor defeats Goku within one blast
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No, what that means is that if either Goku or Beerus were to punch something like a stationary log or anything not equal to their force exerted, then it would explode the log along with the Macrocosm as a whole, but it was matched so the effect was neutralized to less of an extent and it still threatened to destroy everything with the effects minimalized, imagine if that were not he case.
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Your physics are completely messed up. If a force is exerted upon another force equal to that of the first, the force becomes doubled in power. Take two cars for example. If both cars are heading straight for each other at 50 mph, it would be a 100 mph collision. In Goku and Beerus' case, their combined punches were only powerful enough to shake some Universes. That probably isn't even Universal in power. So my claim that Thor defeats Goku within one blast still stands
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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No it is not. The cars collision cancels each other out in because they come to a stop if both cars are equal and the sum of the forces is 0 because since they are going the opposite way one in a positive direction, and the other in the negative direction, and their opposite forces cancel out to nothing, if the cars were head would being the same direction and crashed into a separate object then the force output would be double, just like in Goku and Beerus punched the same thing then the force would be doubled, but it wasn't they were in opposite directions so therefor the sum of it is zero.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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I am so confused. I don't even know if I am reading English at this point. Their fists were hitting each other, correct? That means their combined forces were meeting head on (not in opposite directions), doubling the amount of power exerted. 50 + 50 = 100. 50 + 50 /= 0
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Did either of them move back... no they did not, so it was an inelastic collision, and since the moment of impact their fists stopped moving all together, m1v0 + m2vo = (m1 + m2)vf their finally velocity of the punch is 0 so therefor the total force is zero, and considering their initial velocities for their fists was also 0 it becomes m1x0 + m2 x 0= (m1 + m2) x 0. 0+0+=0 so 0=0 there I proved it.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Your ill fated attempt to prove it to me mathematically is not sufficient. I don't even know any of those variables you are mentioning. Inelastic collision or not, they both were exerting force into each others fists, doubling the amount of power in their collision
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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@SirSpidey, it's a simple formula for physics, I'd assume you would have had a physics class by now, guess I was wrong, just look up, inelastic Collison formula and you'll find it fast.
m1= Mass of object 1
m2= Mass of object 2
vo= initial velocity, (in the actual formula it's vo1 and vo2 because they typically have different intital velocities, but since they're moving at the same speed you can use just vo)
vf= final velocity.
That is what the variables stand for in the formula. They had an intial velocity of 0, and a vinal velocity of 0 so after everything is plugged in,0=0 this is also assuming they have the same mass of their fist which is clearly visable in the scan.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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No, in fact, I am taking Chemistry as of right now and will take Physics next year. So what you are saying is that they had no force in their collision, therefore they didn't shake anything. Yeah, that is clearly not what happened. Their combined forces could only shake some Universes
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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No, what I'm saying is the force canceled out, but even though the forces cancelled out, that energy has to go somewhere which it is released in form of heat energy, so that reason everything was shaking is because the energy expelling from it which is always going to be less than the total magnitude of the collision because most of the force was returned to Goku and Beerus, so the total sum of the forces initially is the same as amount as the final force after, so the change in forces is 0 as it is the same before and after, to shorten this, Goku and Beerus felt a majority of the forces, whereas the macrocosm around them only received a small portion.
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You do know that if a force cancels out, it equals zero, right? Therefore, what you are saying, without realizing, is that, even though their was no force being released, Goku and Beerus magically destroyed a few Universes somehow. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all. "Released in form of heat energy." Do you mean the shock waves of the collision? So, what you are trying to say is that the shock waves of Goku's and Beerus' impact shaked some Universes, correct? Well, Goku has yet to be shown capable of replicating that feat without the help of Beerus. Plus, even though he did have help from Beerus, their combined forces couldn't even destroy a few Universes, they could only shake them. That means, even if Goku were to be able to "directly" punch the three Universes, which I don't understand how someone were to be able to do that, he still couldn't be any more destructive as he was when he shook them with the help of Beerus. it evens out, is what I'm trying to say. Goku + Beerus + Indirect Impact = Shaking Three Universes. Goku + Direct Impact = Shaking Three Universes. Does that help to paint a better picture?
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What you are suggesting is that force is completely perfect and 100% efficient, which it is not, the waves caused are a result of energy being released and carried through a medium, like when you throw a rock into a pound, and the waves that follow, say that same pound is mirrored on the opposite side and another rock of equal size and mass is thrown at the exact same spot, now without this, the rock would penetrate through the water, but if met equally in the same spot it will not break through, but will still cause the same waves. And Dragon Ball and manga/anime in general follows different rules than comic books, Dragon Ball goes off 100% scaling, meaning, if Goku and Beerus' feat was less than universal, that has become Goku's new base, and if he gets and additional power boost onto that, one that is 50x, Super saiyan blue. he would be logically stronger, and henceforth 50x stronger, and actually it's much more than that, as I have proven many times on this site because it stacks onto all the other multipliers and everyone he faced that gave him a challenge scales off of that. And they have replicated this feat. During the final saga of Super, Jiren, was strong enough to shake the world of void, but the world of void is an infinite realm of nothingness, (1) it is a giant void as the name suggests, and Jiren was strong enough to shake the world of void (2) that infinite realm of nothing.
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Pond, not pound*
But you could say how can he shake nothingness? The reason he was able to shake it is because of his aura. Aura in Dragon Ball has been shown multiple times throughout it's publication that aura is a physical thing that can be felt, and can even damage things (3)(4)(5) for a few examples. Jiren's energy grew so large and so powerful that it expanded to infinity, completely filling up the infinite world of void with his Ki and it was his Ki shaking the entire place, proving it is infinite and this was Jiren just starting out, not even full power yet, so actually this feat is far more impressive considering it was infinite but a universe is finite. So Jiren had infinite 3rd dimensional power while holding back, because no one is allowed to kill, so people like Jiren and Goku can't use their full power, except when they fight each other, and this same guy who at less than 50% power had infinite 3rd dimensional power, was smacked around by MUI Goku (6), and before you say, "that's a transformation and a buff, so if he gets a buff so does Thor" except it's not a form, it's a martial art state of self movement, meaning the body acts without restraints of a mind (7), so it's a mental state if anything and can still be used, so let's say Jiren was at 50% power when he shook the world of void, infinite 3D, you double that for 100% and he is at least 4th dimensional based off of logic, and MUI Goku smacked him around, meaning he is at least 4th dimensional, if not much more than that, and this perfectly correlates with what I said down below about Jiren's time cage feat, about 8 down from the beginning of this thread, so that's twice, through two different ways, that I have proven Goku's full power transcends the 4th dimension.
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What you are saying is what I am saying, we just worded it VERY differently so you can ignore the first few lines where I talk about the pond and stuff, as we have an agreement on that.
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(2)- Clarification, it was his energy/aura shaking it, it was just invisible and this is proven by everyone saying that they sense it, he did that by walking, my memory is a bit off- https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jiren+shakes+the+world+of+void&view=detail&mid=8BAE96B8A4EF460AC27A8BAE96B8A4EF460AC27A&FORM=VIRE
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(5)- It's an invisible barrier created by his Ki- http://dragonballgoku.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/fullsizeoutput_1f.jpeg
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Do you think that comic book characters don't get amped or something? Because the last time I checked, if a comic book character got stronger 50 fold, he, as well, would become... 50 times stronger. The only thing that you showed me from anime that is different from the comics is that if an Universal anime character performs a feat that is below Universal, the below Universal feat becomes his new base level of power. On the other hand, in comics, in the same exact scenario, a Universal character performing a below Universal level feat is thought of as PIS or an outlier. As for the Jiren thing, so what you are saying is that Jiren shook a whole lot of nothing? That isn't even a feat. Anyone can shake nothing. I can shake nothing. And just him shaking it is not a testament to his power. I can shake a car, but that does not mean I can destroy it. As for MUI Goku, Warriors Madness is also just a mental state, so if Goku gets to go MUI, Thor gets to go Warriors Madness. Just because you can shake an infinite thing (of which, in Jiren's circumstance, he only shook nothing), does not mean you can transcend time. That makes absolutely no sense at all. Even if Goku's power did transcend time, it wouldn't make any difference considering time means absolutely nothing to the gods of Asgard (1).

- (1): Journey Into Mystery Volume 1 #98, Page #3, Panel #1
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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@SirSpidey you fail to understand. That I was making 2 seperate points, and you tried to twist them into one thing, only reading what you want. Jiren's speed transcends time, you still haven't proven that wrong, Thor is not that fast, he gets blitzed you have not given sufficient evidence to prove otherwise, othe than someone saying time is nothing to the gods, not a feat. him shaking the world of void is an infinite 3rd dimensional feat because his power was vast enough to fill a dimension of infinite size and shake it, and he wasn't at full power during that time, for example an empty swimming pool has nothing in it so lifting what is inside is not impressive, because theres nothing there, but if you fill that pool full of water and lift it, that is impressive. second point as to why anime is different, power scaling something you don't seem to understand. You said Goku had never preformed a similar feat to that after (he did, the entire fight with Jiren) because Dragon Ball doesn't show power that way, they show power from scaling. For example, during the Saiyan Saga Vegeta destroyed an entire planet with one hand not even trying, making him at least planetary, and Goku fought him as his equal so even though Goku didn't destroy a planet himself, that makes Goku planetary via scaling, nothing in Dragon Ball is an outlier nor is it PIS because they are consistent and from the same writer, not multiple different people like Thor, and none of this matters because Thor isn't universal in the first place.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Also @SirSpidey, how on Earth does a comic where where Thor fights the Human Cobra prove he is above time? Nice job of using an out of context comic book, give me the scan of it, it can't be anymore out of context than a comic book about Thor fighting Human Cobra of all people, Try harder.
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Do you want to debate intelligence?
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Lol, that really wouldn't be a debate..... Goku's kinda stupid
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Oh, I don't watch Dragonball
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
But his battle intelligence isn't bad. In general he's a genuine dumbfuck.
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But he's pretty smart in battle.
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This should be an interesting debate
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
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Before me and Spidey begin this Godly clash of fan boys (the actual definition, not the mainstream insult) does anybody want to judge?
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Thor Earth 616(SirSpidey) vs Goku DBS(Soulcollecter57)
3 year member
I'll let you start off.