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A Battles topic created by SirSpidey

Vote 'Yes' or vote 'No' if you want to watch me and @soratoumiga debate using the 'Official List of Debating Rules'

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What are the debate rules?
So
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@Soratoumiga and @SirSpidey after looking through I found that @SirSpidey believes AvX Scarlet Witch is her base power, and @Soratoumiga you replied that you say that, that version of her is enough, but that you'd rather it be HOM, so I say base Thor vs Scarlet Witch the Avengers vs X-Men story since you both seem to agree on that as a useable version.
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That kind of makes it unfair for Thor. But let me get this straight, you think I should only use AvX feats?
So
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If both of you can agree on that then yes, I don't pay ant attention to Scarlet Witch so I don't know, but if Spidey agrees than that's what it is.
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YES, I totally agree with that. Thank you @Soulcollector57
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Well, an outside opinion (ME) would prefer Base Wanda VS Base Thor. I mean, Wanda can't go HOM at random times so it wouldn't be fair to do that. She specifically said to Red Skull that she needs prep-time and a powerful energy source to go HOM. She can go crazy and become more powerful, but not HOM levels; so no, Wanda cannot use HOM in this battle.
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@AkhilPDX is correct. It's 3 vs 1 as of right now, @soratoumiga. Either you accept it or stay a p***y
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Neither of them matter, no offense to Soul and Akhil. And no, I'm not accepting without HoM feats, because you haven't debunked me on my statements. Once you do so, which you never will, then I'll accept.
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"Once you do so, which you never will, then I'll accept. " - Too much @sora. You're being cocky.
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He's incapable of doing that...
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Both him and @Soul have debunked some of them.
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@soratoumiga: I just reread all of 'House of M' and all of its tie-ins and what I found out is that you are terribly wrong. Now, remember these dates that I will be referencing as they are extremely important. The Scarlet Witch altered the Earth 616 reality in 'House of M #1' (August of 2005). The effects of the "Chaos Wave" are shown in 'Uncanny X-Men Volume 1 #462' (September of 2005). The Scarlet Witch performed the "No more Mutants" feat in 'House of M #7' (November of 2005), proving that the Chaos Wave was created as a result of the alteration, by the Scarlet Witch, of Earth 616, not by the Scarlet Witch performing the "No More Mutants" feat
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But, what I also found out through my research was that during the events of 'House of M', the Scarlet Witch was amped by the "Lifeforce", as explained during the events in 'Avengers: The Children's Crusade'. This disproves the notion that the Scarlet Witch can perform the "No more Mutants" feat again, considering the fact that the Scarlet Witch is without the Lifeforce in 'Scarlet Witch Volume 2 #9', which was when she claimed that she could redo the "No more Mutants' feat again
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So, unless you can all of a sudden pull a comic book that is related to the events of 'House of M' out of your a**, there is no evidence to suggest that not only did the Chaos Wave happen because the Scarlet Witch performed the "No more Mutants" feat, but also there is no evidence to suggest that base Scarlet Witch can redo the feats she performed during the events of 'House of M'. Good luck on disproving all of this. I highly doubt that it is possible to do as much, but hey, there is always a possibility that I am wrong
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So until you disprove this, you cannot claim that House of M Scarlet Witch equals base Scarlet Witch, which (no pun intended), if you don't mind me adding, would make no sense at all considering she has never performed something similar to what she did in 'House of M' since her publication, which, by the way, solidifies the argument that the Scarlet Witch was amped by the Lifeforce during 'House of M'. That's all I have. Again, good luck
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All of Life Force was retconned and doesn't exist anymore. Try again.
Si
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Does anyone else notice something wrong in that comment?
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No, it's just you.
Si
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Wasn't asking you. 👍
Si
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@soratoumiga: Base Thor vs base Scarlet Witch. Yes or no?
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Yes, if you know what "base" is...
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"Base" is anything but House of M Scarlet Witch since we have established that she was amped by the Lifeforce during those events
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No... not really. That was your conclusion, probably after swiping through one Scarlet Witch comic, and you can't just conclude something you don't know much about.
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Then prove, using the comics, that the Lifeforce was "retconned"
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Because Scarlet Witch has already stated, TWICE, that she can re do all of House of M. Life Force is not a thing anymore, case closed.
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Yeah, she can do 'House of M' feats again, but only if she had the Lifeforce again. You have proven nothing and are living in denial. @Soulcollector57 thinks the same and he is the judge of this debate. So either you accept base Thor vs base Scarlet Witch, or not
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Plus, you can't believe everything you hear. You don't know if her STATEMENTS are true or not considering she has yet to prove that she can do what she is claiming she can do
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That way, I won't accept. You should be the one who debunks me, which I highly doubt you can, but okay.

P.S. Yes, in this case, I can trust statements, not only because House of M power level of Scarlet Witch, and current level of Scarlet Witch has the same destructive capability.
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I also forgot to add: "but because Scarlet Witch has the similar feats as before."
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And yet, you have no proof to suggest as much. Now everyone knows you as a p***y because you are too scared to debate base Thor vs base Scarlet Witch
so
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Thanks for proving to us that you're so bad at debating you can't even prove one thing wrong. Go **** on someone else, I'm busy.
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And yet, you are too scared to debate base Thor vs base Scarlet Witch. Actually, f**k it. You can use base Scarlet Witch with the "No More Mutants" feat. Do you accept my challenge or not? Are you a p***y or are you not a p***y? Oh, wait, you have already proven that you are one. My bad
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So you finally admit I can use HoM feats? If so, I accept.
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That is not what I said, cupcake. Whenever you read something, actually fully comprehend it before saying anything that concerns it. You have yet to prove that the Scarlet Witch can do anything she did in House of M without the Lifeforce. I'm just letting you have the feat in House of M where she said "No More Mutants", because you are obviously too much of a p***y to debate with base Scarlet Witch. You CANNOT use the feat in which she altered the Earth 616 Universe
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Hunny, aww... Once again, you're proving your limited knowledge and the fact that you didn't even read House of M. She didn't alter 616, she altered the whole Marvel Multiverse. And again, No more mutants altered that Multiverse, so you're just contradicting yourself, good job.
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And yet, you can't prove anything that you just said
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However, I on the other hand... I just reread all of 'House of M' and all of its tie-ins and what I found out is that you are terribly wrong. Now, remember these dates that I will be referencing as they are extremely important. The Scarlet Witch altered the Earth 616 reality in 'House of M #1' (August of 2005). The effects of the "Chaos Wave" are shown in 'Uncanny X-Men Volume 1 #462' (September of 2005). The Scarlet Witch performed the "No more Mutants" feat in 'House of M #7' (November of 2005), proving that the Chaos Wave was created as a result of the alteration, by the Scarlet Witch, of Earth 616, not by the Scarlet Witch performing the "No More Mutants" feat
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But, what I also found out through my research was that during the events of 'House of M', the Scarlet Witch was amped by the "Lifeforce", as explained during the events in 'Avengers: The Children's Crusade'. This disproves the notion that the Scarlet Witch can perform the "No more Mutants" feat again, considering the fact that the Scarlet Witch is without the Lifeforce in 'Scarlet Witch Volume 2 #9', which was when she claimed that she could redo the "No more Mutants' feat again
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So, unless you can all of a sudden pull a comic book that is related to the events of 'House of M' out of your a**, there is no evidence to suggest that not only did the Chaos Wave happen because the Scarlet Witch performed the "No more Mutants" feat, but also there is no evidence to suggest that base Scarlet Witch can redo the feats she performed during the events of 'House of M'. Good luck on disproving all of this. I highly doubt that it is possible to do as much, but hey, there is always a possibility that I am wrong
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So until you disprove this, you cannot claim that House of M Scarlet Witch equals base Scarlet Witch, which (no pun intended), if you don't mind me adding, would make no sense at all considering she has never performed something similar to what she did in 'House of M' since her publication, which, by the way, solidifies the argument that the Scarlet Witch was amped by the Lifeforce during 'House of M'. That's all I have. Again, good luck
so
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Did you seriously just copy/paste for third time?
Si
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Yes, of course. It was obviously needed for this discussion. It was mainly to prove that you haven't proved anything, while I, I have proved everything I have said
Da
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I know what @SirSpidey said and it's true, this is got to happen to finally end all this nonsense. But if we are going to do it, can we get it over with? If we as a community can't even get the debate started properly how are Spidey and Sora actually going to do it?
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No.
This leads to a whole lotta unnecessary drama
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Si
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I would propose that this "drama" is most definitely necessary
Ma
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All it's going to cause is another SHDb Civil War
Si
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Which is good
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Lol, wHaT a nAzI. Thinks war is good.
Si
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Without war, there can be no peace
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Wasn't the offical debating rules not to insult people? Come on guys grow up you have to learn how to do the right things, Try to respect each other some people are just different from each other.
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You don't get it. This debate will end mine and @soratoumiga's ongoing feud. There will be no insulting once we are done. Better to let it escalate now and get over it than to continue this feud
So
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Well, I vote for yes, do have this debate because I'm tired of it, the constant back and forth, so hurry up and get it over with, so the Nemian can face Spidey, and more importantly, so that I can have my rematch with @Nemian.
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Th
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You better believe I have you on my mind
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Ok well while ya fighting someone debate with me about X-23 elektra or slik.
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Enough of this already! Don't you guys hear or see what you're typing, much less think about it before doing so? Is swearing at and insulting each other really how y'all run this website? Can't any of y'all respect each others' opinions, put your differences aside, and just be friends?
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Si
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Nope
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Then shut up!
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For someone who is so against insulting and being rude to people, you sure as hell don't live up to your standards
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I don't know.
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Don't let this mask the fact that I'm better than Spidey and Sora put together.

The only reason @Spidey challenged Sora is because he knows after New Years I'm going to tear him apart, and he knows I have honor and won't debate him without his full attention.

As for @Sora... HAHAHAHAHA! That's all I really have to say I mean... Congratulations, you're playing with the big boys... Hmm... Nice tenacity kid! But enough games, okay?

@Soul Don't think you're off the meathook, after I finish with Spidey when he's done with Sora, I'm coming after you pal it's true, it's DAMN true!

@MOP Don't even try it, you'll just look stupid, DO NOT PURSUE IT! Final warning

@LordTracer Keep quiet and be a good boy, don't make me get on your ass too.

@WolfDragon Remember your place

@ArthurCurry You're barking up the wrong tree buddy, you don't want to make an enemy out of me...

And... @Galactus... Happy New Year sir!
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First sentence: Lol, no.

Nemian, you're nice, but HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Big boys. 17 years old. Sure. Tbh, neither one of your are the best debaters I've met in comic book community...
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HOOOLD ON BRUUUUH! Sora, you are severely outclassed and outgunned, sport you do not want the smoke here, I look at you and do you wanna know what I see? I see a lonely little kid trying to be the next Overlord, you are not it, so take a step back before you address me, okay? Thanks!

Sora, I think you need to stop lying to yourself, I'm not the best debater in the comic book community... I'm the best debater, PERIOD! FULL STOP! And I sure as hell am not going to watch, as you and Spidey disrespect my art form, arguing like toddlers in the comment section! You're just like all the rest I've ran down and mowed, you'll fall flat.

And @Spidey... Then there's you, I hear about the one man on SHDB they call the best... When I returned months after handing you your ass with mere scans... You were on your way out, soon as I came back, you stayed, you had something to prove, still do, they said you were the one guy who could beat me, so I had to play around with you, the next Nemian hey? Nawh dog you're a crappy made in China bootleg of me and you know it!
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Idk if that was some freestlye rap... Anyway, who's Overlord?
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Not a freestyle, just cold hard facts, Overlord, because of me, is nothing more than folklore, originally Overlord was a semi respected user who was... A pretty good debater... A more developed you, who had a ***** for Phoenix like you so Scarlet Witch, do you want to know how the story of Overlord ended? With me crushing Overlord in a debate, ever since then Wolfdragon kept his distance in fear of me as he knew I would do the same damn thing to him if he crossed that line.

Sora I'm hoping you be more than Overlord but you're not ready, going up against Spidey is suicide.
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Not really. I've beaten Spidey numerous times on Discord, he just runs away, like a little ***** whenever I debate him. So idk how that would be dangerous.
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You've never debated him, he's only ever flexed on you, he only 'Debates' on the site, and every time you've 'Debated' him on discord he has the upper hand and he's not even putting in effort, debate him on the site and you're done.
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Not really. Mildly said, I've destroyed him every time on Discord... You're just biased, sorry, but it's truth.
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You've destroyed NO ONE! Sora look at you! You are a rookie, with guidance you could be more but you are not Spidey, even a cheap ass made in China bootleg of me still is far superior to you now and superior to you in the future, GIVE UP!

Spidey never used any effort on SHDB, neither do I, only on the site, even then that's not my best... But I feel myself getting to that point soon...
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Nemian, you're cute, but both YOU and SPIDEY should get over yourselves. Spidey knows **** about DC or any other character not related to Thor. That's not a good debater. I'm far superior to him who knows EVERYTHING about ONE character, and ZERO knowledge on other, more interesting characters. I have max knowledge on about 20 characters, but also read other characters that are not particulary interesting, and yet I have knowledge on those characters, leaps and bounds ahead of Spidey. As for you, you are better than him, that's true, but, you're NOT the best debater I've seen in this community. And I'm not necessarily speaking about SHDB only.
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Young man, you are barking up the wrong tree and sailing into waters you don't know anything about, how do you know Spidey only has knowledge of Thor? Just because he decides not to demonstrate it doesn't mean he doesn't know about them, I in fact remember the old Spidey, nothing like he is today, but still decent, debating many characters that were not Thor, so that demonstrates you don't know Spidey, so you shouldn't make statements or judgements on what's unknown to you.

As for you... Really? Only 20 characters? Kid I know a few hundred, and that's off the top of my head, Spidey is the same, he just prefers to stick to familiar waters, that's fine, Thor is his thing.

As for me... Not the best debater... I'll tell you what Sora, find the best debater you've ever seen, and bring him here, I challenge him to any debate he chooses, Sora you don't know that person, because... Well... Hell... That person doesn't exist! PERIOD!

YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A DEBATER AS GREAT AS ME! EVER IN YOUR LIFE! AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SORA! I PUT MY BLOOD, MY AIR, MY SOUL AND MY BODY INTO THE DEBATING GAME AND IF ANYONE! ANYONE WANTS A SHOT AT THE TITLE OF THE BEST I WILL FACE ALL COMERS! ANY AND EVERYONE! I'LL TAKE ON ALL OF YOU AT ONCE!
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How do I know? How?? Well, maybe because he has shows his limited knowledge on 99% of the characters in our little talks. Not only that, I'll forgive him for not reading DC, he's an idiot, so I won't blame him for that, but for MARVEL characters... He has shows little knowledge on characters that are not Thor, or somehow related to him. Thinking House of M is planetary, or Eternity being Thor's inferior is ridiculous, and proves his limited knowledge.

I said MAX knowledge. It means I am a superfan of those 20 characters, and it doesn't mean I don't know a lot of **** about other characters.

I love that poetic paragraph, however, that person is from Comic Vine. And I'm not sure if you want to step into those unholy waters once again.
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Just because you've yet to see him debate with other characters does not mean he is incapable, trust me, I've seen it, he's even debated with MARTIAN MANHUNTER! A DC CHARACTER! So that disproves your silly claims, also what do you mean by little talks? Do you even know what you mean Sora? House Of M is a series not a character, how can a comic book series be planetary? Sora... Are you... Are you tired?

OOOOH! BIG BOY! SORA HAS MAX KNOWLEDGE ON 20 CHARACTERS! Kid I still got your number, easily and without contest, also I doubt you have 'MAX KNOWLEDGE' on any character at all, that would mean you would have had to read every comic about them ever made, watched every show or movie they've been in and played every game they've ever been in.

It wasn't even meant to be poetic, I'm just that damn good! As I've said in the message, bring them here and we will solve it, I'm going to utterly and completely decimate them.
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He debated MMH... Lol. What he said? "I don't understand, how can Thor defeat MMH, if he can phase through everything Thor does." And he constantly reminds us how trash and weak DC characters (not truth though), so why the hell would he even debate with him? Saying one random sentence two years ago doesn't mean he knows how to debate DC characters. That disproves your "little talks". Oh, boy, you know what I meant. Don't pretend you don't.

No, no you don't. Unless you count every animal or plant that has ever appeared in a comic book or movie or a tv show.

Lol, I'm pretty sure they hate SHDB...
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What are you actually babbling on about kiddo? The fact remains Spidey was debating with characters other than Thor, DC ones before you were even on the site, case closed.

What the actual hell are you on about? Sora you seem sleep deprived, your entire sentences are nonsensical, get some sleep, you're rambling about things that have no relevance, please stop.

Well than he's a coward, I do not care if he 'Hates SHDB' I will not enter the zest pool of utter and complete garbage that is comic vine.
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You're just rambling random **** now, fine. Best debater my ass.

Again, best debater my ass.

Eh, fine, he don't care.
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Oh my God Sora, please, read your comments before you send them, you're sounding like such an imbecile... You say I'm writing random comments yet yours aren't even comprehensible... You need to get some sleep, either that, or sober up, you may be drunk and I'm worried about you.

Again, I'm the best debater in this entire... OMNIVERSE!

He's a coward, I challenged him and he did nothing, that's fine by me, I'm still the greatest debater to ever live, and ever will live, now, BOW DOWN TO YOUR KING!!!
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You started writing random stuff that doesn't relate to this topic, so...
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Are you reading what you're saying?
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Seriously, what's gotten into y'all?!
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@TheNemianLion: The only reason I challenged @soratoumiga is because I am going to end our conflict. As for our debate, I can debate both you and sora at the same time. So please, respond before I die of old age. There is nothing you have to worry about with me. I am all ears and impatiently waiting for your response. And don't act like you are better than me. Shall I remind you of who the people dictated who was the best?
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That works if @soratoumiga is okay with it.
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@Spidey don't you remember exactly who defeated you with mere scans? As I've said before, I do not care who the website states is the best, the only thing I care about is proving that I'm the best, and after I beat you, I'm beating @Soul and believe me when I say I'm staying on top of that mountain for ETERNITY!

As for debating you now, no, hell no, not unless I have your full attention, I have something you do not, honour, so that's the end of story and there ain't no discussion.
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I don't know if you are trying to say you actually did something or not. You beat me with SCANS. That is more of a testament to your lack of sufficient evidence. And the worst thing about it all is that you still use mere scans. You have not grown at all. Sure, you beat me, but that was TWO years ago. While you have stayed stagnant throughout these years, I have grown to become the best there ever was. Oh, trust me, you have my full attention. You act like debating soratoumiga will take any effort. He is but an appetizer, while you, you are the main course of my meal
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Listen, bootleg, I used scans to show you how out of your league you really were and still are, it's a testament of me not giving two cares, because I am above EVERYONE, and ALWAYS will be, I have packed up almost every scan I've ever given with comic book issues unless it's next to impossible to find which book a scan was from, I almost always find it.

Dude your head is so far up your rear end it's crazy, if I debated you while you diverted attention to Sora I'd destroy you, I WILL NOT have an unfair debate with you, END OF STORY!
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Kept my distance since then? I don't think I've ever had a debate with you, not even when you first joined this site
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You've been ducking me since I retired Overlord off this site, it's been for your own good.
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I'll look stupid? Really . Dude I just back down as to not cause unnecessary drama . If I really wanted to I can and my ground.
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@TheNemianLion: Lol, "bootleg." Boy, I've been here an entire YEAR before you. If anything, you are a "bootleg" of @Soulcollector57 and I. That's the difference between you and I. While you see a scan and try your best to find the comic in which it happens in, which often times yields no results, I get my scans from the comics that I read. I know ALL of the context of the scans I reference, while you, you often times don't know the context of the scan you are referencing, as I have proven time and time again. But this is as far as I go with the trash talk. I prefer to prove myself through official debating, not empty claims as yourself. We have our own official debate currently, but it seems that you are too scared or too mesmerized by my arguments to respond. Not sure how you are going to call yourself the best debater if you can't respond to some simple arguments, but okay, I'll let you live in your own fantasy world like @soratoumiga. It's just NOT MY PROBLEM
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I will accept every fair debate.
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And what isn't fair about Thor vs Scarlet Witch?
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Because her feats from House of M and Avengers v. X-Men far outshadow anything Thor has accomplished.
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House of M isn't base Scarlet Witch. Only Avengers vs X-Men is base Scarlet Witch. Try again
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Scarlet Witch can repeat House of M. Try again.
AvX is enough, actually, but I could use HoM too.
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She could not reach the heights of House of M without the Life Force. Try again
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Life Force isn't even a thing anymore. Try again.
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It was during House of M. Try again
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Are you even familiar with the concept of RETCON?
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Are you even familiar with the concept of EVIDENCE?
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Stop ripping me off. And you would have to read comics to see evidence. Idk if your brain can handle so much information.
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So you have no evidence. Thor vs Scarlet Witch. Yes or no?
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Yeah, if I can use all composite feats, without bullshiting about it being non-base Wanda.
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without you* bullshiting
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Yeah, no. Base Thor vs Base Scarlet Witch. Yes or no?
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HOM Wanda = Base Wanda. Accept this, and then yes.
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I only accept things that are proven
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Scarlet Witch #9. Read it and be humble.
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Why did you waste my time on a comic that proves literally nothing? This is why you don't want to debate me using the 'Official List of Debating Rules'. Because you have NO evidence. It is so obvious @soratoumiga
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I'm going to bed. Hopefully you will have balls enough to officially debate me. I'll be waiting
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Thanks for proving to us that you didn't even read the comic. Scarlet Witch says she can do "No more..." again, but EVEN without saying "mutants". For ****'s sake, she said she can erase the concept of DEATH. Anyway, throughout the comic she explains why she doesn't use reality warping so often; it threatens her mental state.
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@soratoumiga and @SirSpidey Would you both cut it out already?! You two have been at it since Dr. Manhattan vs Rune King Thor!
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They've been at this for far longer than that, been months at least now...I think everyone is treating this to be a much bigger deal than it is. Just calling something 'official' doesn't make it so. All this is going to be is another of the same from what we've already seen with Scarlet Witch V Thor. Every other debate that I've seen with this has been the same 3 or 4 feats, and both of them thinking (or 'knowing' because Spidey can't get context) that they debunked each other. The debate just devolves into insults and 'accept my evidence, you are dumb for not thinking X is the most powerful comic book character'. I don't want to see this again, as it's not interesting or fun for anyone. I think they should both be able to show they know other characters besides their main choices, especially if @Spidey thinks, unironically, that he is the worlds greatest debater when it comes to comic books. I will also add they shouldn't use characters that scale directly with Thor (like Odin, Mangog or Gorr) or Scarlet witch (ldk to much about SW, but I guess Morgan Le Fey and Phoenix Force Namor...or MJJ if we use HoM), because then that just goes back to a Thor or Scarlet Witch power level debate.
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@soratoumiga: Oh, I read the comic all right. Nowhere in that comic did it say anything about the Life Force being retconned, which was the subject at hand, was it not? I could give a f**k about Scarlet Witch being able to do "No more mutants" again, because we weren't talking about that. I asked you to prove that House of M Scarlet Witch is base Scarlet Witch and you just gave me evidence concerning the "No more mutants" feat. That is not going to cut it, cupcake. You are just proving to us that your comprehensive awareness is severely lacking. Once you prove that the Life Force was "retconned", then can you claim that House of M Scarlet Witch is Base Scarlet Witch
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@_Holy_Joe_: We have been at it way longer than just our Dr Manhattan vs Rune King Thor dispute. I'd say we have been going at it for a little over a year. The only way for us to "cut it out" is to officially debate one another and see who is correct and who is wrong. THAT is the only solution to this problem
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Lol, he is scared to debate a character that is not Thor. I've asked him 4 times on Discord, and he just ignored it. He knows nothing about them, so he's scared to lose, which he would anyway. I could debate other characters, my favourites like Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Phantom Stranger, Lucifer Morningstar and others, but can't do all of them against Thor, and he lacks knowledge about characters, from what I have seen these months.
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@ElectroSpino: Okay, if you don't think the 'Official List of Debating Rules' is official at all, how about you prove that it isn't. Everything about it is official. There is one judge keeping score of everything you do and don't do. If you can't provide sufficient evidence, you lose, just how a real debate goes. It is a means of finding out who is the better debater and which character is more powerful. And we have already gone over your suspicion of the debate being like it always is in the past on Discord. All of our "debates" in the past have ended with disagreement. If we use the 'Official List of Debating Rules', it wouldn't matter if we disagreed. Whoever proved their opponent wrong and has evidence for the claims they make, gets to win. There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Also, if we use the 'Official List of Debating Rules', insults would lose you points, therefore insulting would not be a factor. I can still prove that I am the worlds greatest debater concerning the world of comics by just using Thor, because if no other person can beat me and they are experts on other characters, that means I am the best. Therefore, I am the best debater in the world concerning comics. I know what you are trying to do. You, for some wierd a** reason, have always had a big ******* for @soratoumiga. You are trying everything you can to prevent me from debating with Thor against sora with the Scarlet Witch. You are doing so, because you know if we were to have that debate, soratoumiga would have no chance at beating me. You don't want to see your precious boyfriend be smacked around, don't you?
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@SirSpidey: Congratulations. You just spent 15 minutes of your life writing an essay no one will actually read.
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@soratoumiga: I don't care about debating characters other than Thor. You have made outlandish claims about Thor and the Scarlet Witch and I am here to prove you wrong. But you are too much of a p***y to be proven wrong, aren't you?
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So you're afraid of debating characters that are not Thor. Cool.
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If that is what will help you sleep at night, yes. Now are you going to debate base Thor vs base Scarlet Witch or not?
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Not Thor. I'm tired of hearing the same thing over and over again.
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So you just want to live in denial and is too scared to be proven wrong?
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I've never been proven wrong regarding my feats on Scarlet Witch, so...
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Then why don't you debate me? Then we will see if your claim still stands
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I don't feel like it now.
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Well then, when are you going to feel like it?
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Soon.
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How soon?
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Next year, lmao. You can make the forum earlier, but I'll probably respond on January the 5th.
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But don't make it before we establish everything.
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What is there to establish? We already have the 'Official List of Debating Rules' as a guide
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The judge, the characters and the versions of those characters.
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I'm thinking @Soulcollector57 as the judge and base Thor vs base Scarlet Witch
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I'm fine with him being the judge, but the differences between how we describe base versions are big, so I suggest we do composite versions of both. It means Rune King Thor/Old King Thor/Unworthy Thor etc vs Composite and Pre House of M/House of M/Post House of M Scarlet Witch etc.
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Yeah, no. Unless you can prove that House of M Scarlet Witch equals base Scarlet Witch, then can you use House of M Scarlet Witch as her base version
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I've proven that though. And the thing that differs current Wanda from HoM Wanda is her mental state, only. She even said she can go insane and be on House of M level powers again.
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You just proved that the Scarlet Witch can do the "No more Mutants" feat again. You did not prove that she can alter reality to completely change the Earth 616 Universe and accidentally create the Chaos Wave again. So no, you have yet to prove that House of M Scarlet Witch is base Scarlet Witch
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When Scarlet Witch said "No more mutants" a crack hole opened and was formed throughout the Multiverse (or omniverse), and Chaos Wave was created. Also, when she said that, she altered Earth-5803 (House of M) back to Earth-616, so it's really proving my point. If she can do "NMM" again, she can repeat House of M feats.
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Wrong. The Chaos Wave was released when the Scarlet Witch altered the Earth 616 Universe, not when she said "No more Mutants." I think you should reread House of M, because the "No more Mutants" feat happened completely after the creation of the Chaos Wave
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False. You should re read House of M and all of its tie-ins. The realities cracked when she said "No more mutants" which allowed the Chaos Wave to bring havoc to the omniverse.
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I just reread all of 'House of M' and all of its tie-ins and what I found out is that you are terribly wrong. Now, remember these dates that I will be referencing as they are extremely important. The Scarlet Witch altered the Earth 616 reality in 'House of M #1' (August of 2005). The effects of the "Chaos Wave" are shown in 'Uncanny X-Men Volume 1 #462' (September of 2005). The Scarlet Witch performed the "No more Mutants" feat in 'House of M #7' (November of 2005), proving that the Chaos Wave was created as a result of the alteration, by the Scarlet Witch, of Earth 616, not by the Scarlet Witch performing the "No More Mutants" feat
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But, what I also found out through my research was that during the events of 'House of M', the Scarlet Witch was amped by the "Lifeforce", as explained during the events in 'Avengers: The Children's Crusade'. This disproves the notion that the Scarlet Witch can perform the "No more Mutants" feat again, considering the fact that the Scarlet Witch is without the Lifeforce in 'Scarlet Witch Volume 2 #9', which was when she claimed that she could redo the "No more Mutants' feat again
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So, unless you can all of a sudden pull a comic book that is related to the events of 'House of M' out of your a**, there is no evidence to suggest that not only did the Chaos Wave happen because the Scarlet Witch performed the "No more Mutants" feat, but also there is no evidence to suggest that base Scarlet Witch can redo the feats she performed during the events of 'House of M'. Good luck on disproving all of this. I highly doubt that it is possible to do as much, but hey, there is always a possibility that I am wrong
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So until you disprove this, you cannot claim that House of M Scarlet Witch equals base Scarlet Witch, which (no pun intended), if you don't mind me adding, would make no sense at all considering she has never performed something similar to what she did in 'House of M' since her publication, which, by the way, solidifies the argument that the Scarlet Witch was amped by the Lifeforce during 'House of M'. That's all I have. Again, good luck
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You just proved my point and debunked yourself at the same time. If she can redo all of House of M, which she can, due to her actually having high end feats, and due to her saying that and due to it being implied multiple times, her base version is obviously her House of M version. If you don't accept this, debate's not gonna happen.
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Lol, that is all you have? No evidence? Just claims? Can someone please tell @soratoumiga that he is most definitely wrong? He needs to hear it from someone else
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You make rhetorrical statements when you are debunked? Okay... Now, if you aren't a p***y, you'll accept the debate.
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My god, this debate is going to be so easy. Nothing about what I said is rhetorical. It is all facts, of which you clearly cannot or don't know how to respond to
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There's not going to be a debate unless you admit defeat here, and accept the fact that I can use HOM feats.
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I only accept things that are proven
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So you accept defeat? Cool.
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Nope, just waiting on someone else to say that you are completely wrong, as you clearly need it
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Lol, you need someone else's help? Pathetic.
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Obviously, because you cannot accept what the comics dictate
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Yeah no. So you accept the debate with HOM feats or not?
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I'll accept base Thor vs base Scarlet Witch, of which was originally stated
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Hey now let's all relax. This is about our love for superhero not to see who a better debater than the other. Listen if @soratoumiga dont want to part take in a debate then he have every right to. @SirSpidey you know you're already an amazing debater, so why does it matter. It's the holidays let's live it up and focus on superhero cheer. Who with me !! ... no one ok.
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It's not that I don't want to debate, I just know how he debates, which is pretty bad and he ONLY debates about Thor, proving his limited knowledge. I would like to debate a character that is not Thor. All I'm asking for.
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@Dellmamy45: I am doing this because ever since I could remember the name 'soratoumiga', he has been talking **** on me and Thor. I'm just offering him a challenge to officially prove what he has been saying this entire time. He has rejected the offer, and now, he is to be considered a p***y
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Well it seem like you two cant come to an agreement. So for the sake of the site and our knowledge of Superheroes how about we all just drop it. We're all friends here.
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@soratoumiga: That is not what I am trying to prove. You have made so many claims downplaying Thor, and now you are just shying away from the debate whenever someone, myself, calls you out for it. YOU ARE A P***Y
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@SirSpidey: Looks like it's that time of the month...
How can I downplay a character who has been consistently inferior to beings like Scarlet Witch and others?
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@Dellmamy45: Oh no, no, no, no. Sora is most definitely not my friend. He is a p***y. We can come to an agreement, whether he likes it or not, once we officially debate who would win
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Ew... Spidey my friend? No thanks, I'm not friends with a sexist and a homophobe.
Friends with others though.
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@SirSpidey! Name calling is not nice. If he doesnt want to battle you that's on him. But dont let that get you upset. Just take it and leave it. You know you can debate him and hell go to toe to toe with the rest of them but that give you no right to insult him. You better than that 😔😔😔😏
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See? @everyone? All sora can do is talk **** and make idiotic claims without no evidence backing them up. And the worst part about is that he is too much of a p***y to be proven wrong
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@Dellmamy45: Eh, if I don't bite it in the a** right now, his bulls***ery will continue to persist
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Listen guys I'm only stepping in so we can decrease the situation. I don't want you guys to fight on this site. Or call each other names. You guys are better than this. Can you guys leave each other alone if you guys are not going to debate with each other day?
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You see @everyone? All Spidey can do is to claim that him being a horrible human being (which everyone can see) is false, when he has been proven to be as such multiple times. Just as his favourite character been proven to be inferior to likes of Galactus, Doctor Fate, Odin and numerous others. You'll bite in the ass, eh? I thought you weren't gay.
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@Dellmamy45: If you want to decrease the situation, force him to debate me. All of this wouldn't be happening if only he would accept my offer
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So what if I am a "terrible human being?" I called you out and you are too much of a p***y to accept the offer. THAT is the fact of the matter, and that is the standard of which you will have to live by from now on. You are forcing all of this down upon yourself. No one else is doing this to you. All you have to do is ACCEPT MY OFFER
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Stop this and listen to @Dellmamy45, you idiots! He's right, you both are better than this. Stop insulting and drop the subject!
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I'd rather insult him now and solve this ongoing problem with @soratoumiga than to continue sitting idly by as he talks down on myself and Thor
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Okay, first, I never accepted this, so idk where all this hype is coming from.
Second, I won't debate Scarlet Witch, if I ever accept the challenge.
Third, Nemian, stop being mean to me all the time. You'll receive a punishment.
Fourth, I just wanna know if Spidey knows at least one, tiny detail about any other character, besides Thor.
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NONE of that matters. It all boils down to if and when you decide to debate against Thor so that I can prove to you that he is stronger than the Scarlet Witch. Either you are a *****, or you are not. That is for you to decide
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Nah, it's pointless to debate Thor v. Wanda. The winner is obvious. If you choose Thor, I won't choose Wanda. Simple.
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P***y
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Says the guy who's too afraid to debate a character that is not Thor, because he is truly just hiding his lack of knowledge.
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No, motherf***er! I have something to prove. And you are too much of a p***y to be proven wrong
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@soratoumiga
@SirSpidey
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Then do HOM Wanda VS Rune King Thor; that's easier. Or you can do Mangog VS Doomsday or Gorr the God Butcherer VS Darkseid.
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Nope. He has always claimed that Thor is the weakest being in fiction and that the Scarlet Witch is the most powerful. This feud between us will never end until we debate base Thor vs base Scarlet Witch
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And now of course, @SirSpidey's tactics. Make up random shitty lies and accuse people of things they did not do.
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Well you have said that Thor is the weakest Avenger, so acting like you have never said anything remotely close to what I claimed you said, will not work
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I said he's fourth/fifth most powerful Avenger. There are more than 50 Avengers. He's actually near top, and I never said he's the "weakest".
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Still doesn't change the fact that you think beings like Ultron and Ghost Rider are more powerful
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Ultron is definitely far above Thor. He soloed Avengers, and casually manhandled Thor multiple times. Ghost Rider is not more powerful without Zarathos' aid.
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You are just proving my point. If we were to have this debate, we would know for a fact who is right and who is wrong
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Yes, thank you. I would be right, as always.
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What in the actual f**k? I don't understand your logic. Anyways, are you going to debate me or not? I have already shown everyone on Discord that you are too scared to debate me. Are you just going to let them think as much?
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Oh, you annoyed even more users... You're such a pain in the ass.
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I'm just keeping them up to date. All of them want the debate to happen, except for your boyfriend, @ElectroSpino
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Yes, but only if you both do not use your main characters (any version of Thor or Scarlet Witch). We've seen these debates countless times and they've all gone nowhere. Show us you know other characters...
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Yeah, no. He thinks Thor is weak. I'm here to factually prove him wrong. He is just too much of a ***** to be proven wrong. He would rather live in denial
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https://www.strawpoll.me/17117550
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Poll: vote for who you think will win!
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Sorry. That link won't work.
- http://micropoll.com/t/KFsChZVa1O (This one will)
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Results so far - Spidey: 71% to Sora: 29%
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@NemianLion
Did you vote for the debate?
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Kay
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Spidey will debate Thor (Thor Odinson)
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Sora will debate Scarlet Witch (Wanda Maximoff)
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Kind of curious on who I should put my money on but this should be a great debate so yes.
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• Yes: 3
• No: 0
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Yes: 4
No: 0
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YES!!! Two of the best debaters going at it! Sora VS Spidey (PS - I think Spidey will win after reading the "Official List of Debating Rules").
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One of the best, vs one decent debater who hasn't shown anything impressive
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Lol. Why are you being so mean to sora ;D
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I'm not, I wish Sora good luck, we just have never seen Sora accomplish anything here, or prove himself, he talks a lot of trash but never backs any of that up, so this will be a good gauge of Sora's capabilities.
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He backs up his claims except he overrates Wanda :D
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Except I get that HOM Wanda beats RK Thor; that makes sense. HOM Wanda beating IG Thanos and rivaling Living Tribunal? Nope.
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I haven't seen him supply sufficient evidence to match his outlandish claims.
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Yes - Both of you claim you've beaten the other but I want to actually see who wins in an official debate. I think there should be a jury consisting of 5-8 people.
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No, debating states there will be one judge.
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@TheNemianLion is correct
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@TheNemianLion, while it does state that there can be 1 judge, another rule is that if a judge is not appointed than it can be done by "a council of their peers" but since there is already a judge, that being me, the council does not apply in this case.
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Yes, Sora has yet to show the capability to actually hold a legitimate debate.